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that begins to reduce your deficit right there. so it's win/win. >> terry, i got to say, this is music to my ears. i read your column. i really liked it. you say it's the jobs crisis that needs to be addressed right away. you say lowering unemployment is probably the single most important thing we can do to reduce the federal budget deficit over the next few years. no complaints from me. no argument there. i'm just wondering, though, where were these criticisms of president obama last year? i went through your press releases from last year. and i have them in front of me. it's domestic violence, marriage equality, war on women, richard murdoch, love your body day, abortion ban, war on women, abortion, i mean, on and on and on. i don't see anything in here that talks about the unemployment crisis. why now? >> actually, we have been talking about the unemployment crisis. i'll send you all the materials that we've put out about that previously. one of the things that we actually spent an enormous amount of time and resources on last y
that begins to reduce your deficit right there. so it's win/win. >> terry, i got to say, this is music to my ears. i read your column. i really liked it. you say it's the jobs crisis that needs to be addressed right away. you say lowering unemployment is probably the single most important thing we can do to reduce the federal budget deficit over the next few years. no complaints from me. no argument there. i'm just wondering, though, where were these criticisms of president obama last...
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social security is not a part of our deficit problem. so the only other two entitlements we got is how to detake care of the poor, and if we don't take care of the poor, it means additional expenses. >> would you be in favor of means testing medicare and social security? in other words, taking those wealthy americans who don't need those benefits and take them off those roles as a savings? >> there's no question that removing the cap for higher people that are in the higher income is one of the sources of income that i could support. no question about that. >> let me ask you this, congress pan. would you prefer top just deal with the revenue and forget about cutting at all at this point because of the slow economy? is that where you're headed here? >> no, no, no. >> so you do want to cut then? you do want to cut spending? >> we're going to have to do it. first of all, we have to find out what our target is going to be. if the target is going to be a mixture of cutting and a mixture of raising revenue, then we have to say we're not going
social security is not a part of our deficit problem. so the only other two entitlements we got is how to detake care of the poor, and if we don't take care of the poor, it means additional expenses. >> would you be in favor of means testing medicare and social security? in other words, taking those wealthy americans who don't need those benefits and take them off those roles as a savings? >> there's no question that removing the cap for higher people that are in the higher income...
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shy add, chris, that another really important part of this conversation in addition to long term deficit reduction is making sure that we get sustained economic recovery. we saw some good numbers today, but we want to make sure that we sustain that recovery. and extending middle class text cuts is part of it, but so is investing in our infrastructure, so are other elements of the president's jobs plan that should be part of this overall agreement. >> we have seen several liberal democrats to say that it is better to go off that cliff than to get a bad deal. and i'm wondering if you agree because it seems like the ceos who came out of the meeting with the president yesterday were most worried or at least seriously worried about the effect of not getting a deal on time and the effect that will have on the economy. >> we absolutely want to avoid going over the fiscal cliff because it would be a big drag on the economy. >> but are you willing to do that? >> what we're willing to do is come up with a package that both accelerates economic recovery, but also begins to reduce the long term defi
shy add, chris, that another really important part of this conversation in addition to long term deficit reduction is making sure that we get sustained economic recovery. we saw some good numbers today, but we want to make sure that we sustain that recovery. and extending middle class text cuts is part of it, but so is investing in our infrastructure, so are other elements of the president's jobs plan that should be part of this overall agreement. >> we have seen several liberal democrats...
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when that happens it makes debt and deficits a lot smaller by comparison because you get more government revenue. you're right, it is absolutely a core principle of republicans we don't want taxes to go up to get more government. if we have tax reform effort that will lower the tax base, get more revenue and fuel economic growth that is something republicans will embrace. there could be revenue generated by closure of loopholes and deductions. we can't accomplish anything by raising tax that is good good for the economy and we're very concerned about the economy. martha: it will be interesting to see what timothy geithner brings to these discussions today. we'll be reporting on it and you will be there on the hill. thank you very much. >> we'll look forward to it. thanks, martha. martha: all right. bill: there is a controversial vote set to take place today at the united nations and the u.s. is expected to vote against it. eric shawn's live at the u.n. eric, good morning to you, what is the vote about first of all and what's expected to happen? >> reporter: good morning, bill. the vote o
when that happens it makes debt and deficits a lot smaller by comparison because you get more government revenue. you're right, it is absolutely a core principle of republicans we don't want taxes to go up to get more government. if we have tax reform effort that will lower the tax base, get more revenue and fuel economic growth that is something republicans will embrace. there could be revenue generated by closure of loopholes and deductions. we can't accomplish anything by raising tax that is...
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it's not responsible for the deficit and debts. neither is social security. you're right, medicare and social security have long-term fiscal challenges. they need to be dealt with. i don't agree with connect connecting those to the deficit and debt program not created by those programs. >> i want to switch gears. as a senior member of the house intelligence committee i want to talk about benghazi. let me quote. part of what you said, there should be a laser-like focus on going after those responsible. but in the blur of partisan wrangling over talking points we seem to have lost sight of the vital objective. some on capitol hill and elsewhere seem determined to go after another bright diplomat ambassador susan rice. i want to talk about finding those responsible. the fbi seasonisn't saying much. from what i know we have heard zero about arrests. what can you tell us about these perpetrators? >> well, i can tell you that we still have a lot of work to do. the intelligence community is pursuing all of the leads. there is nothing that i want more. this is true i
it's not responsible for the deficit and debts. neither is social security. you're right, medicare and social security have long-term fiscal challenges. they need to be dealt with. i don't agree with connect connecting those to the deficit and debt program not created by those programs. >> i want to switch gears. as a senior member of the house intelligence committee i want to talk about benghazi. let me quote. part of what you said, there should be a laser-like focus on going after those...
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howard's become a deficit hawk. i think howard and i would disagree probably on some of the elements of what constitutes -- >> no, but he's saying it's not a disaster if it happens. >> well, i was going to get to that point. the fiscal cliff itself, howard is right, it's a slope. on day one the economy does not collapse and go into recession. but i worry a lot about the markets. the market reaction to going over the cliff, particularly if we go over the cliff in disarray where there's really no plan. everything's broken down. nobody knows where anybody is. i think that could be pretty ugly in the markets. having said that, my own view is, that going over the fiscal cliff is only the second worst thing that can happen. the worst thing that can happen would be for congress to simply kick the can down the road on everything. >> that's exactly right. >> extend all the taxes, extend all the spending, let life go merrily on the way it is. we cannot let that happen. it is time to address the deficit. and if going over the
howard's become a deficit hawk. i think howard and i would disagree probably on some of the elements of what constitutes -- >> no, but he's saying it's not a disaster if it happens. >> well, i was going to get to that point. the fiscal cliff itself, howard is right, it's a slope. on day one the economy does not collapse and go into recession. but i worry a lot about the markets. the market reaction to going over the cliff, particularly if we go over the cliff in disarray where...
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deficits of 1.25 trillion for the last five years. so we have a problem in our country that really needs to be resolved. we've become addicted to stimulus really through deficit spending, through 0% interest rates. >> how are you investing around this? >> we're comfortable investing in corporate bonds. bond spreads have tightened, but investors still being paid on a reasonable basis. we have structured products like clos. >> do you care if we go over the cliff? >> it's a concern, but i think it's actually not that much of a concern to me, no. >> so it's okay? >> we look at the fundamentals of companies when we invest and the fundamentals of companies are very strong. probably will affect the stock market more than the bond market. >> and so ultimately you really don't care. >> i'm agnostic to it. >> this is like the first person we've had on the set that said he'sing a n ing agnostic. >> you would almost like to say that it might even be a positive. >> i think that's what he is saying. >> it's really addressing the problem of the coun
deficits of 1.25 trillion for the last five years. so we have a problem in our country that really needs to be resolved. we've become addicted to stimulus really through deficit spending, through 0% interest rates. >> how are you investing around this? >> we're comfortable investing in corporate bonds. bond spreads have tightened, but investors still being paid on a reasonable basis. we have structured products like clos. >> do you care if we go over the cliff? >> it's a...
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they will waste your taxpayer dollars and overspend and continue to raise yourr deficit unbelievable numbers that you can't find on yourr calculator. this is not a deal and kicking the can down the road . hear the president to come to a table and find a deal. who believes that? he had four years to do that and did not do it. >> steve: smoosomeone who will not let the president of the united states raise taxes is john boehner. that is not happening. >> brian: he said revenue on the table don't act like we are not budging. >> steve: tim geithner is showing up. boehner and geithner and company come over and you better have a plan. more on this later on. >> gretchen: now the rest of the headlines. gitmodetainees. are they coming back to america now. or feinstein said possibility. the story came to light after fox news turned up a document. feinstein's office put it on line. that was his first executive order when he was elected president. he said he would close gitmo. it is still open. abbas's turn to ask for palestinian statehood. expected to get his wish . he wants palestine to be upda
they will waste your taxpayer dollars and overspend and continue to raise yourr deficit unbelievable numbers that you can't find on yourr calculator. this is not a deal and kicking the can down the road . hear the president to come to a table and find a deal. who believes that? he had four years to do that and did not do it. >> steve: smoosomeone who will not let the president of the united states raise taxes is john boehner. that is not happening. >> brian: he said revenue on the...
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but the other thing is remember this continued tax cut for the middle class is part of a deficit reduction package so the president is very much focused on getting rid of that debt and getting it off the backs of our kids but in the meantime, it is not necessary to raise tax rates on the middle class in order to get there. and if we did raise taxes on the middle class, it is not going to get us that far down the road. what will really get us down the road is getting back to the regular tax cuts, having the wealthiest of americans pay their fair share. letting the 2% go back up from 35% to 39% which they were under bill clinton. one final my2k story from doug up in vancouver washington. what do you say? >> caller: hey bill. let me put my bong down real quick here. [ laughter ] >> caller: you know, there is a certain bunch of us here that think that they're going to get us on entitlement. that's all they keep talking about. nobody's mentioning the military. so i'm with the other caller, the gal before that said let's go over the cliff. you're going to screw us anyway, you know what? everybod
but the other thing is remember this continued tax cut for the middle class is part of a deficit reduction package so the president is very much focused on getting rid of that debt and getting it off the backs of our kids but in the meantime, it is not necessary to raise tax rates on the middle class in order to get there. and if we did raise taxes on the middle class, it is not going to get us that far down the road. what will really get us down the road is getting back to the regular tax...
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duke comes back from a double digit deficit to win this one. that's the third win already this season over a top five team. very impressive. >>> now to college football. lsu's les miles ended speculation he would become the next head coach at arkansas. by agreeing to a seven-year contract that will keep him in baton rouge through 2019. that's leverage move there, les. "the washington post" reports that the new deal will pay miles in the range of $3.4 million a year, that is an increase. miles' extension from lsu still falls short of the five-year 27 had the $5 million deal offered by the razorbacks. his agreement with the tigers still makes him the fourth highest paid coach in college football only behind this list. nick saban, mack brown and bob stoops. miles, by the way, has a record 85 wins and 20 losses in eight seasons with lsu. >>> coming up at the top of the hour on "morning joe," no, they're not letting me do that, today mitt romney lunches at the white house as he and president obama sit down for the first time after the election. we'l
duke comes back from a double digit deficit to win this one. that's the third win already this season over a top five team. very impressive. >>> now to college football. lsu's les miles ended speculation he would become the next head coach at arkansas. by agreeing to a seven-year contract that will keep him in baton rouge through 2019. that's leverage move there, les. "the washington post" reports that the new deal will pay miles in the range of $3.4 million a year, that is...
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>> we had 18 debt an deficit commissions since ronald reagan became president in 1981. in more than half of those, medicaid, medicare an social security were supposed to be part of fixing the debt and deficit, it never happened. if they kick the can down the road again without fixing entitlements in the process, entitlements still won't get fixed. >> we asked you to comment on the news and then sometimes you make news. the news about you, it says you are considering running in a primary to challenge saxby chambliss. are you any closer to a season? tell me what you're thinking and who is encouraging you to do that. >> well, you know, i said all along, no i'm not going to do this. i've been dismissive. in the past couple days, a number more prominent names have been calling and saying shy do it. i feel i owe them more consideration. i'm not closer to thinking i will do it, but i'm thinking about it more. my wife is adamant if i do it, i will be buried in the backyard before i announce. i think saxby chambliss, it's time for him to be primaried. >> your wife will bury you
>> we had 18 debt an deficit commissions since ronald reagan became president in 1981. in more than half of those, medicaid, medicare an social security were supposed to be part of fixing the debt and deficit, it never happened. if they kick the can down the road again without fixing entitlements in the process, entitlements still won't get fixed. >> we asked you to comment on the news and then sometimes you make news. the news about you, it says you are considering running in a...
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raging deficits, not enough revenues and we needed to cut some spending, too. we needed to make sure that people got their unemployment benefits. tip o'neill realized that he was speaker of the house. not speaker of the democrats. and he had that magic. the magic to him was 218 votes. and that's what i wish john boehner would do. because if he took a page out of tip o'neill's book, we'll be off this fiscal cliff and i compliment congressman cole for his courage in saying, you know, the president's given us 98%, essentially, of what we want. let's take it and we'll argue over the millionaires and the billionaires later. >> you know, you're probably one of the really key leading progressives in the united states senate. i've watched your heroic campaigns every six years. i'm walls in always in wonder of your ability to stick to principles and win big in the biggest state. how is this going over, the view you're taking now, which we're all in this together to some extent? it has to be a 60/40, something like that, deal. how is that going over with your colleagues
raging deficits, not enough revenues and we needed to cut some spending, too. we needed to make sure that people got their unemployment benefits. tip o'neill realized that he was speaker of the house. not speaker of the democrats. and he had that magic. the magic to him was 218 votes. and that's what i wish john boehner would do. because if he took a page out of tip o'neill's book, we'll be off this fiscal cliff and i compliment congressman cole for his courage in saying, you know, the...
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the deficit is large. where's the rest of his plan? he has to show us his plan. house members would like to extend all current tax rates permanently. that brings certainly the to the economy. get a subsequent bill for the sequestration. work with president obama in a good faith effort to get pro growth tax reform. that would work. we've got the ryan budget that spends $7 trillion less than the president's budget. that would restore the confidence that the economy needs. >> greta: senator, thank you. >> thank you. >> greta: with time running out, you would think that president obama would call the house and senate leaders and ask them to the oval office, but apparently something is wrong with the white house phones. he's trying to outsource the job to you. take a look. >> i'm asking americans all across the country to make your voice heard. tell members of congress what a $2,000 tax hike would mean to you. call your members of congress, write them an email, post it on their facebook walls. you can tweet it using the #my2k. >> greta: why doesn't the president pick
the deficit is large. where's the rest of his plan? he has to show us his plan. house members would like to extend all current tax rates permanently. that brings certainly the to the economy. get a subsequent bill for the sequestration. work with president obama in a good faith effort to get pro growth tax reform. that would work. we've got the ryan budget that spends $7 trillion less than the president's budget. that would restore the confidence that the economy needs. >> greta: senator,...
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oh my goodness deficit deficit deficit, fix the tax code, and what are they proposing lowering their own taxes. it's a sham and they ought to be rolled out of town if people understand what they were talking about. >> if people are worried about how they're going to take care of the homeless, how schools will be able to accommodate 30 kids in the class rom how people will be able to make ends meet when unemployment disappears. they can't be here. they can't afford it. they come here and write it off in their taxes $20 million a year ceos from these corporations, and continue to spread the hysteria and--and if their plan goes through the austerity plan, they and their company and their bonuses are actually the only thing that is going to improve in this economy. >> eliot: as they have over the past couple of years. income disparity is worse and worse and incomes are going up. lloyd blankfein telling people that they people should not expect to work for 25 years and then retire for 30. i don't think he understands what social security is all about. >>> the hispanic caucus said no today
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the president's message >>> if we get this part of it right, a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit reduction are going to be a whole lot easier. if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. we don't have a lot of time here. we have a few weeks to get this thing done. we could get it done tomorrow. optimistically, i don't think we are going to get it done tomorrow. >> the white house is using all social media resources to get the message out and put pressure on the republicans. >> today, i'm asking congress to listen to the people who sent us here to serve. i'm asking americans all across the country to make your voice heard. tell members of congress what a $2,000 tax hike would mean to you. call your members of congress, write them an e-mail, post it on their facebook walls. you can tweet it using the hash tag my 2 k, not y2 k. >> the president was laughing about you the strategy, seriously effective. the my2k was one of the top trends on twitter all day long. republicans aren't too happy. they are getting outflanked. >> if the president wants to reach an agreement, he n
the president's message >>> if we get this part of it right, a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit reduction are going to be a whole lot easier. if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. we don't have a lot of time here. we have a few weeks to get this thing done. we could get it done tomorrow. optimistically, i don't think we are going to get it done tomorrow. >> the white house is using all social media resources to get the message out and put pressure on...
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in 2010 the state budget deficit was more than 40% of its general fund. 40 percent. the second highest of any state. s&p and moody's both give illinois the second worst credit rating in all of the 50 states. illinois is funded 45% of pension liability, the lowest percentage of any state. unemployment in illinois, very impressive as well. just under 10%. they had things well in hand in illinois. is it mentioned that is a haunted the president obama? anyway, the tenth highest unemployment rate in the country. for stub's illnois a death spiral state because for every hundred private-sector workers in illinois there are 103 depending upon those ivate-sector workers new york, aiming at the sixth worst death spiral state because for every 100 private-sector jobs in new york there are 107 who depend on the private sector for their -- well, their sustence. a per capita debt of nearl $6,700. $6,700 just for the state of new york. the six highest in the country. we have people worg about the fiscal cliff which is worth worrying about. some of these states have gotten a massive
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it's exactly what happened during the clinton administration group old spending and quadrupled the deficit then in this forward you're going to get all your god has influence or an article written in one thousand nine hundred six that sort of led to believe it that became like the foundation trilogy every really really has for thirty two years this is been this is been the republican party tonight and your eyes are going out to remember the the clinton administration yes first week that bill clinton right after the election the first week after the election when the republicans were screaming about what the national debt there had been no discussion about it at all for twelve years before. or that they were in the wreck during the time the regular radio who knew of her own primary had one hundred ten last pro is not talking about the ready to be much of the jazz radio well yeah george w. bush tries talking about but he was talking about the trade with george not the not the no using sort of the federal budget and george h.w. bush actually wanted to assert the line item veto you know that y
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we have talked for a number of years now about the challenges we have in terms of the debt and deficit. but we are not talked about the investments that are needed in this country that will help make us stronger in the future. whether we're talking about education or job training or investment in our infrastructure or providing the services for our veterans when they come home or those kinds of things that we can't just continue to talk about cutting government. we have to have a country that actually is strong in the underpinnings and that is a balanced approach that i think we need to be taking. >> before we go, i swrus want to turn to one other piece of senate business, this oddity of susan rice. it's just a simple question about john mccain and lindsey graham and john mccain and lindsey graham, do you think they are crazy and you can answer yes or maybe. >> what i believe is that susan rice is an incredible person with a great deal of intelligence and integrity and n ought to be taken r for her word. i think it's really unfortunate for her. >> i don't think senators are crazy in my
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we have a trillion dollar a year deficit. the math is simsimple. you need $4 trillion to keep the ratio of debt from growing. there has to be a tax element as well. you have to have more tax revenue. we could not afford the tax cuts we need to restore a piece of them. i have not been on wall street as long as warren buffet. but i agree. i was on wall street for 30 years. it didn't change my work ethic. i think people are driven by other things this is not going to change the work ethic including spending. >> let me play you both a clip today. at the end of the day, i don't want to quibble about the tax rate, but the more important thing is to imcrease the size of the wealth pie. the idea of keeping rates low and then you pay a low marginal rate of as shrinking pie i'd rather get the country on the proper footing. >> how do you get america back on a sound economic footing? butting your hats on, if you were in the room, what would the deal be? >> here is where i think this has to end up. one, recognize what we are facing is a spending problem. my fri
we have a trillion dollar a year deficit. the math is simsimple. you need $4 trillion to keep the ratio of debt from growing. there has to be a tax element as well. you have to have more tax revenue. we could not afford the tax cuts we need to restore a piece of them. i have not been on wall street as long as warren buffet. but i agree. i was on wall street for 30 years. it didn't change my work ethic. i think people are driven by other things this is not going to change the work ethic...
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as you know, we have a trillion dollar annual deficit and this would not close that gap at all. so the president needs to come up with a plan and for better or worse going to require leadership. no member of the senate or the house is going to be able to do this, this is something the president has to do by himself and he can't do it on the campaign trail. >> let me ask you this because you wrote an op-ed today and you wrote about divided government about the deal. you said divided government means that neither democrats nor republicans will be able to pass legislation along strictly partisan lines. we cannot tax our way back to budget surpluses and economic prosperity without major spending cuts and entitle 347b9 reforms we will continue running a huge deficit regardless of what anyone does on either side. for every dollar of revenue you give him, he'll give you $2.50 of spending cuts. if he gave you that on spending cuts, it would be 8$850 billon year would you do that? >> the president has said a lot of things, but what counts is what he's willing to put on the table and so f
as you know, we have a trillion dollar annual deficit and this would not close that gap at all. so the president needs to come up with a plan and for better or worse going to require leadership. no member of the senate or the house is going to be able to do this, this is something the president has to do by himself and he can't do it on the campaign trail. >> let me ask you this because you wrote an op-ed today and you wrote about divided government about the deal. you said divided...
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. >> eric: obama have to advertise he promised to -- [ laughter ] -- cut the deficit in half? >> dana: where will it end? >> kimberly: we want an apology. >> dana: super pac ad with apology. >> kimberly: deliberately dezeed the american people. >> bob: that is not true. >> dana: we'll ponder that. coming up, 5 a 50 million reasons you might not want to win tonight's powerball jackpot. brian has all of those next on "the five." ♪ ♪ >>> i'm bret baier in washington. the big story here today is a new develop in the president obama's evident to get off the fiscal cliff. tonight on "special report," the president may be trying to divide budget negotiations in two pieces, insisting on tax increases for high earners this year with a promise to cut spending next year. some critics call it wimpy from popaye strategy, gladly paying you tuesday for a hamburger today. house speaker john boehner insists the republicans are willing to work with the mt. offering the tax revenues if significant spending cuts are part of the deal. is social security on table? should it be? we hear from the
. >> eric: obama have to advertise he promised to -- [ laughter ] -- cut the deficit in half? >> dana: where will it end? >> kimberly: we want an apology. >> dana: super pac ad with apology. >> kimberly: deliberately dezeed the american people. >> bob: that is not true. >> dana: we'll ponder that. coming up, 5 a 50 million reasons you might not want to win tonight's powerball jackpot. brian has all of those next on "the five." ♪ ♪...
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there have been 18 debt and deficit commissions since 1980. >> so you're saying they came up with spending cuts that satisfied you, you would -- >> i would go to the clinton tax rates in a heartbeat if we got clinton's gdp spending rates. >> well, one of the things i think liberals are starting to resent also, wolf, is that we are fighting so hard over this sort of modest issue of tax cuts for the wealthy. and people are completely dismissive about how devastating really entitlement cuts in medicaid would be, cuts for daycare and teacher spending and other things. >> we can't solve the problem -- >> we're starting to feel a little ant si about as this ends up being only about tax cuts. >> we just heard from senator thune, number three republican in the senate. erick, let me goat your thought, he says punt right now. kick the ball down six months or a year, deal with entitlement reform next year in a thoughtful way. deal with tax reform thoughtful in a new senate in the new house of representatives, but just go ahead right now and avoid the fiscal cliff, keep everything as is right now for
there have been 18 debt and deficit commissions since 1980. >> so you're saying they came up with spending cuts that satisfied you, you would -- >> i would go to the clinton tax rates in a heartbeat if we got clinton's gdp spending rates. >> well, one of the things i think liberals are starting to resent also, wolf, is that we are fighting so hard over this sort of modest issue of tax cuts for the wealthy. and people are completely dismissive about how devastating really...
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we can't afford to run 1.2 to $1.5 trillion deficits every year. and we can't afford to bring obama care on to the books, because we know it has already doubled in its predicted cost. it was -- >> congresswoman, forgive me for cutting you off. but final question, yes or no, you think you'll be on the hill come christmas talking about this? >> oh, no, no. i think what you're going to do is see us find a way to move the bulk of this, to get past the fiscal cliff to address that, and then to have a good discussion. i'm pleased to welcome the president, the democrats to the discussion. this is something some of us have been trying to get done for many years. and i'm delighted to see that they're finally putting their attention on it. we have to get the fiscal house in order. >> thank you so much. live for me on the hill today, appreciate it. >>> today, business titans. tomorrow, the business guy trying to take his job. that's right, president obama and mitt romney will be meeting at the white house for lunch in the private dining room, no, no. no camer
we can't afford to run 1.2 to $1.5 trillion deficits every year. and we can't afford to bring obama care on to the books, because we know it has already doubled in its predicted cost. it was -- >> congresswoman, forgive me for cutting you off. but final question, yes or no, you think you'll be on the hill come christmas talking about this? >> oh, no, no. i think what you're going to do is see us find a way to move the bulk of this, to get past the fiscal cliff to address that, and...
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they don't believe that social security is a driver of the deficit. on the other hand, you ended up seeing where -- how do you end up tweaking medicare? do you raise the eligibility age? new poll by "the washington post"/abc showed that two thirds of americans oppose raising the eligibility age for medicare and that could be something that could be discussed as would be, you know, maybe means testing and other things and again we don't know the details but what the white house is wanting to say, look, we're open to some adjustments on entitlements where republicans want to hear what are the details? >> that's interesting, the new poll you brought up. most of the people in that poll not wanting to see the eligibility age change and in the same poll the majority wanted to see taxes increase for people who make over $250,000. a lot of times we saw the lawmakers use polls to their benefit and this is an interesting storyline from those, too. >> politically, right now, when you look broadly, measuring the public, it does seem to be easier to raise taxes on
they don't believe that social security is a driver of the deficit. on the other hand, you ended up seeing where -- how do you end up tweaking medicare? do you raise the eligibility age? new poll by "the washington post"/abc showed that two thirds of americans oppose raising the eligibility age for medicare and that could be something that could be discussed as would be, you know, maybe means testing and other things and again we don't know the details but what the white house is...
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a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit deduction are going to be a whole lot easier. and if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. it's going to be much more difficult for us to balance our budgets and deal with our deficits because if the economy's not strong, that means more money's going out and things like unemployment insurance and less money is coming in in terms of tax receipts and it just actually makes our deficit worse. so we really need to get this right. i can only do it with the help of the american people. so tweet -- what was that again? my2k or e-mail, post it on a member of congress' facebook wall. do what it takes to communicate a sense of urgency. we don't have a lot of time. we have a few weeks to get this done. we could get it done tomorrow. now, optimistically i don't think we're going to get it done tomorrow. but i tell you, if everybody here goes out of their way to make their voices heard and spread the word to your friends and family and co-workers and neighbs, i am confident that we will get it done and we will put america on t
a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit deduction are going to be a whole lot easier. and if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. it's going to be much more difficult for us to balance our budgets and deal with our deficits because if the economy's not strong, that means more money's going out and things like unemployment insurance and less money is coming in in terms of tax receipts and it just actually makes our deficit worse. so we really need to get this right. i can...
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we have a $1.2 billion deficit. one of the things i'm hearing from my republican sources over the last few days is they say the president isn't talking about spending cuts. wasn't it interesting in his remarks today i don't think the president mentioned cutting spending one time. so the republicans are saying wait a minute all the president wants to do is raise these taxes on small businesses and i vesters and quote rich people. on the other hand he's not putting on the table any reductions in spending or entitlements. and i think we all know, whether you're a democrat, republican, independent we have to start chopping these programs and reforming them or we will surrender to an ocean of debt. jenna: when does that moment of reckoning come? is it here now? that's the big question? >> i don't think it's here now. i think the window is khroeusing and i think there is a lot of frustration that we can't seem to come to an agreement. just one example, jenna, the president in the negotiations has said well social security
we have a $1.2 billion deficit. one of the things i'm hearing from my republican sources over the last few days is they say the president isn't talking about spending cuts. wasn't it interesting in his remarks today i don't think the president mentioned cutting spending one time. so the republicans are saying wait a minute all the president wants to do is raise these taxes on small businesses and i vesters and quote rich people. on the other hand he's not putting on the table any reductions in...
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we want deficit reduction that is big, bold, but balanced. as long as more republicans can agree with us on that we're willing to compromise with them and meet them halfway. >> sir, real quickly while i have you, it was announced in the last hour that the president is going to be hosting mitt romney for a private luncheon at the white house tomorrow. your reaction to that in light of that campaign finance call to supporters of mitt romney where he disbasically doubled down on the 47% remark? >> i think it's important for the president to reach out to as many people as possible. i didn't agree with mitt romney on much but some ideas he had were intriguing. i'm glad the president is reaching out to him and unifying america. we all need to stand behind the middle class and see where we can agree and act on that agreement. >> steve israel, great to have you on with us this morning. >> thanks. >> we have more heavy hitters coming up on the fiscal cliff on msnbc throughout the next day. next hour on "now" with alex wagner, she'll speak with senator
we want deficit reduction that is big, bold, but balanced. as long as more republicans can agree with us on that we're willing to compromise with them and meet them halfway. >> sir, real quickly while i have you, it was announced in the last hour that the president is going to be hosting mitt romney for a private luncheon at the white house tomorrow. your reaction to that in light of that campaign finance call to supporters of mitt romney where he disbasically doubled down on the 47%...
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later he's hosting big business leaders to talk about ways to cut the deficit. joining me to talk about this, "washington post" political columnist day ma milbank and terence page. >> good morning. >> clarence, big development with tom cole breaking from his party and saying they should support an immediate extension of bush-era tax cuts for households earning less than $250,000. and then deal with the higher income tax breaks later. this is the key argument the president has been making. he says this has to get done. it is a sign the democrats' arguments are working? is tom cole an outlier among republicans? what's going on? >> it's a sign of the diversity in the republican party and that's something that president obama's team is trying to work on. they're trying to develop divisions and to break the logjam, the big showdown that's going on between speaker boehner and congress on one side and president obama and his team on the other. so it's a sign, but we've still got a long ways to go. >> if you can believe it, the negotiations got arguably more complicated
later he's hosting big business leaders to talk about ways to cut the deficit. joining me to talk about this, "washington post" political columnist day ma milbank and terence page. >> good morning. >> clarence, big development with tom cole breaking from his party and saying they should support an immediate extension of bush-era tax cuts for households earning less than $250,000. and then deal with the higher income tax breaks later. this is the key argument the president...
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martha: reid says any agreement must have the wealthy to pay a little bit more to reduce the deficit. bill: what happens if they don't see a deal? 90% of americans will see a tax hike in 2013. and families that make between $40,000 and $65,000 will have to pay an extra $2,000 to washington, d.c. in taxes. martha: concerns over america's fiscal cliff have sent the markets lower in premarket trading. there is a look at where the dow is poised to open this morning. with the dow, the s & p and the nasdaq all trading lower. speaking of that, a new round of violent protests break out in egypt as police fired teargas into the crowds. here are some of those scenes. >> unbelievable. more than 100,000 people flooded into downtown cairo. this time they are protesting the current president martha maccallum and his power grab. they are disillusioned with what he has brought to their country. then you have this happening. police firing teargas. gypt's highest courts refusing to work in protest of morsi's actions. steve harrigan is streaming live from cairo. the protests looked like the unrest we sa
martha: reid says any agreement must have the wealthy to pay a little bit more to reduce the deficit. bill: what happens if they don't see a deal? 90% of americans will see a tax hike in 2013. and families that make between $40,000 and $65,000 will have to pay an extra $2,000 to washington, d.c. in taxes. martha: concerns over america's fiscal cliff have sent the markets lower in premarket trading. there is a look at where the dow is poised to open this morning. with the dow, the s & p and...
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president obama talks about his plan to reduce the deficit by raising taxes on top earners today. this part should not be a tough sell for the president especially with the general public. abc "washington post" conducted a poll that reaffirms that 60% say let's do it. while it's mostly democrats and independents in favor, 40% of republicans agree to do it as well. that should give republicans some room to negotiate. tom call from oklahoma tells politco-that he thinks we should extend tax cuts and change the tax for top earners at a later date. taxes could go up but that does not constitute voting for a tax increase. a meeting with a big list from goldman sachs we're back after the break. as i looked out across the battlefield at antietam. i saw the future of one great nation. but only barely, because the sun was like, way in my grill. george mcclellan, the general, hands me his pair of foster grant sunglasses, and i could see! my wife, mary todd, found them so fetching. >> he looked so fine i started to call him babe-raham lincoln. >> i was like, mary, please. >> you look like a b
president obama talks about his plan to reduce the deficit by raising taxes on top earners today. this part should not be a tough sell for the president especially with the general public. abc "washington post" conducted a poll that reaffirms that 60% say let's do it. while it's mostly democrats and independents in favor, 40% of republicans agree to do it as well. that should give republicans some room to negotiate. tom call from oklahoma tells politco-that he thinks we should extend...
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now we're facing debt and deficit. on the question of labour supply and investment of savings, it is hard to know what the rates would have been. but in general, tax rates to increase porges station in the labour market, particularly for women. there is every -- very strong evidence that lower tax rates make people save more prepared host: did it create jobs? guest: the tax policy itself does not create jobs. employers create jobs. there was a recession and at the bush administration in the beginning and one at the end. that continued into the obama administration. jobs come and go. at the moment, we have a significant job deficit. but i think if we look not just at the bush tax cuts in isolation, but the tax policy over the history of the united states and in other countries, we see the lower chart -- lower tax rates do contribute to getting jobs. host: ethan pollack, as did the bush tax cuts work? guest: they did work in the sense that they cost a lot of money and reduced surpluses. 80% of the debt added during the t
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>> what we need to put on the table in short-term is actual deficit reduction. we can do that through mandatory spending cuts in other areas. we can do it through the tax revenue that the president has called for. i think for instance, speaker of the house decided today to call the measure passed by the bipartisan senate to protect all families making $250,000 or less from any income tax increase december 31st, that would put enough revenue on the front end of this conversation to move us toward a solution. >> but so far i hear from you, in the short-term, no entitlements are on the table. >> only the medicare part of it, i want to be very careful. this means so much and we saw what a mess was made of it by paul ryan's budget, where the actual future of medicare was in doubt with his premium support plan. we don't want to go near that. we want to make sure that medicare, at the end of the day, is a program that is solvent, and we can count on it for generations 20 come. >> so if i'm a republican lawmaker watching this interview i'm saying, okay, he basically has
>> what we need to put on the table in short-term is actual deficit reduction. we can do that through mandatory spending cuts in other areas. we can do it through the tax revenue that the president has called for. i think for instance, speaker of the house decided today to call the measure passed by the bipartisan senate to protect all families making $250,000 or less from any income tax increase december 31st, that would put enough revenue on the front end of this conversation to move us...
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you know what, i hate deficits. i am a budget hawk. i'm a freak on that stuff. but you know what, we can't balance the budget next year. we can't count -- balance it. we can handle a few more years of deficits if we take care of the long-term debt. >> i agree. asking about one or two specifics. i don't have one or two specifics. because i'm not looking at medicare over the next year or two. it's the next 10, 15 years that medicare and medicaid together cripple us as a country. >> here's a few. gradually increase the medicare age. >> yeah -- >> which is what joe said. >> means testing for social security -- >> i agree. >> and by the way, means testing ought to get more focus. i think there are a lot of higher income earners who are willing to say we're willing to give up benefits. but so -- >> we talk about over time. like, for instance -- >> 10 or 15-year. >> i don't want to raise it over five years. unfair to people banking on this for 30, 40 years but need to raise retirement age. >> i'm 42. i should not, people under 45 should be asked today to make a sacrifi
you know what, i hate deficits. i am a budget hawk. i'm a freak on that stuff. but you know what, we can't balance the budget next year. we can't count -- balance it. we can handle a few more years of deficits if we take care of the long-term debt. >> i agree. asking about one or two specifics. i don't have one or two specifics. because i'm not looking at medicare over the next year or two. it's the next 10, 15 years that medicare and medicaid together cripple us as a country. >>...
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it is a $4 billion package of cuts to the deficit a combination of spending cuts and new revenue and about $2 trillion of that coming from getting rid of the bush tax cuts. at the same time while getting rid of the tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of americans letting the tax cuts for 98% of americans continue because the middle class do need the help and the wealthiest people do not. so to get there of course, and by the way let's back up, right. the president put forth his plan on november 6th and mitt romney put forth his plan and the american people said no, we don't like that romney way of going which is to continue to coddle the rich. we agree with president obama. so now the negotiations are underway. about how to avoid going off the fiscal cliff. and what is the president doing? yesterday, he met with small business leaders. at the white house. the white house met with leaders of jack lew, the chief of staff. met with leaders of the chamber of commerce. today the president is meeting with some middle class americans who would be severely impacted if the middle class tax cuts we
it is a $4 billion package of cuts to the deficit a combination of spending cuts and new revenue and about $2 trillion of that coming from getting rid of the bush tax cuts. at the same time while getting rid of the tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of americans letting the tax cuts for 98% of americans continue because the middle class do need the help and the wealthiest people do not. so to get there of course, and by the way let's back up, right. the president put forth his plan on november 6th...
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when president obama was first elected he talked about how to bring down the deficit and campaign promise to cut it in half and he would do it by focusing on entitlement reform. >> steve: there is the national debt right now. >> gretchen: why doesn't he bring the people to the table and say dick dishin. let's put it all on the table and let's talk about them instead of going out on air force one and getting people to use twitter >> chris: the american society of pensional they have a warning called. if congress does change yourr tax rate, there is a possibility that you might have big changes to your 401 k. last time congress made changes in congress. 70 percent of the 401 k contributions droppped and the worry is people will stop putting in and we'll stop save that is never good. >> brian: we are not supposed to be able to tax that. and we'll be able to get it out when we are 81 years old. and the other stories making news. brand new video out of syria show rebels shooting down a military helicopter. you can hear them chanting allah is great. and the chopper plunges to the ground and fir
when president obama was first elected he talked about how to bring down the deficit and campaign promise to cut it in half and he would do it by focusing on entitlement reform. >> steve: there is the national debt right now. >> gretchen: why doesn't he bring the people to the table and say dick dishin. let's put it all on the table and let's talk about them instead of going out on air force one and getting people to use twitter >> chris: the american society of pensional they...
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the president has on on the table a proposal that reduces the deficit by $4 trillion. that is substance. so he has not waited for people to start smelling the jet fumes at national airport. he has actively put forward a plan. >> top republicans are saying president obama should be spending less time politicking out in the public and more time working behind closed doors in washington to try to hammer out a deal. >> rather than sitting down with lawmakers of both parties and working out an agreement, he's back on the campaign trail presumably with the same old talking points that we're quite familiar with. look, we already know the president's a very good campaigner. we congratulate him on his reelection. what we don't know is whether he has the leadership qualities necessary to lead his party to a bipartisan agreement. >> and at least one top republican is now pushing members of his party to can you tell a deal with the president right now. tom cole of oklahoma urged fellow members to accept a plan tell a deal with the president right now. tom cole of oklahoma urged fe
the president has on on the table a proposal that reduces the deficit by $4 trillion. that is substance. so he has not waited for people to start smelling the jet fumes at national airport. he has actively put forward a plan. >> top republicans are saying president obama should be spending less time politicking out in the public and more time working behind closed doors in washington to try to hammer out a deal. >> rather than sitting down with lawmakers of both parties and working...
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that's thanks to an oil and gas boom that wiped out its budget deficit and brought unemployment to the lowest in the nation. >>> coming up, a basketball round up. and remembering the man who transformed baseball. plus new york city's iconic empire state building shows off some new high tech lighting. ♪ if it wasn't for you ♪ don't know what i'd do ♪ i'd have nothing to prove ♪ i'd have nothing to lose ♪ i'd be all lost at sea ♪ with no reason to make it through ♪ [ male announcer ] introducing the celebration diamond collection. ♪ if it wasn't for you [ male announcer ] diamonds so expertly cut, we guarantee them for life. zales is the diamond store. let love shine. . >>> just a tragedy in new york last night as a commuter bus plow the into a long island home and killed a 6-year-old boy inside. the bus had swerved to avoid a pedestrian when it lost control. at least nine bus passengers were treated for injuries. >>> to georgia where a similar accident almost killed a toddler inside a family's jewelry store. this 18 month old ran into his father's office just seconds bef
that's thanks to an oil and gas boom that wiped out its budget deficit and brought unemployment to the lowest in the nation. >>> coming up, a basketball round up. and remembering the man who transformed baseball. plus new york city's iconic empire state building shows off some new high tech lighting. ♪ if it wasn't for you ♪ don't know what i'd do ♪ i'd have nothing to prove ♪ i'd have nothing to lose ♪ i'd be all lost at sea ♪ with no reason to make it through ♪ [ male...
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. >> probably going to be as large as the deficit by next week. seems like everyone is buying tickets unless sadly you live in one of those states -- tsk, tsk -- those eight states that don't take part in powerball. >> you should move. >> it is un-american. >> these are some of the many called powerball refugees. many live in california. doesn't allow you to buy powerball. they have crossed the state line into arizona to buy tickets. powerball not played in california, nevada, utah, wyoming, mississippi, and alabama. >> imagine, california, huge state. imagine if they can get in the mix, the jackpot would be incredible. ooh. all that powerball jack pot, the topic of our facebook question yesterday. >> we wanted to know what would you do with all that prize money? vanessa said, buy a home where my family lives, donate to alzheimers research, help those who've helped me, help some homeless people, donate to a veterans home, feed hungry children. why don't you try solving world peace, too, vanessa. that is very altruistic of you. kudos. >> joseph, i'
. >> probably going to be as large as the deficit by next week. seems like everyone is buying tickets unless sadly you live in one of those states -- tsk, tsk -- those eight states that don't take part in powerball. >> you should move. >> it is un-american. >> these are some of the many called powerball refugees. many live in california. doesn't allow you to buy powerball. they have crossed the state line into arizona to buy tickets. powerball not played in california,...
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with the president today were on top of the game, top of the issues understood the solution to the deficit plan. >> what grows jobs in america are consumers spending money. and the average person needs that $2,000 in his pocket to drive the economy. saying that tax breaks for the rich drive consumers lower down to spend is like saying you could start your car by pouring gasoline on the hood. there's no proof, there's no factual data to support it. it's completely a sham to say that. >> and he's a business owner. we need more members of congress to sound like that. if the president is trying to achieve solidarity on raising the top tax rate, these are the voices that can come through for them with that message in a big way. an owner of an automobile supply company says she supports the plan even if it means her own personal rates will go up. >> i would have higher tax rates, but more important and more crucial, the middle class would be spending about $3,000 more. >> harry reid kept the focus on the president's winning campaign message of letting the tax cuts expire on incomes over $250,000
with the president today were on top of the game, top of the issues understood the solution to the deficit plan. >> what grows jobs in america are consumers spending money. and the average person needs that $2,000 in his pocket to drive the economy. saying that tax breaks for the rich drive consumers lower down to spend is like saying you could start your car by pouring gasoline on the hood. there's no proof, there's no factual data to support it. it's completely a sham to say that....
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they've been working to develop a deficit reduction plan. let me just ask you how you feel right now. 11 days since the president's met with congressional leaders face-to-face, do you think there needs to be more meetings like that right now? >> well, i think the president is doing the right thing. he's got to make the case to congress and the american people. not only of the dire consequences if we go over the cliff, but actually the tremendous upside. and one of the things we don't focus on enough, if we get a real deal, the amount of private capital that will come off the sidelines, invest in this country, we look pretty darn good compared to the faltering economy in europe, the slowdown in china. you know, this could actually be the biggest job generator of anything that's been talked about recently. >> one thing i'm confused by and maybe concerned by also, though, is something that you know well. that the outlines of a deal are pretty clear. there are different options, there are choices, there are tweaks around the edge, but the outlin
they've been working to develop a deficit reduction plan. let me just ask you how you feel right now. 11 days since the president's met with congressional leaders face-to-face, do you think there needs to be more meetings like that right now? >> well, i think the president is doing the right thing. he's got to make the case to congress and the american people. not only of the dire consequences if we go over the cliff, but actually the tremendous upside. and one of the things we don't...
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>> well, they came over a week ago and can't remember the bush era because they grew the deficits. another thing was saying capito was for the patriot act and that upset the hard core conservatives. every republican senator vot
>> well, they came over a week ago and can't remember the bush era because they grew the deficits. another thing was saying capito was for the patriot act and that upset the hard core conservatives. every republican senator vot
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that's the real deficit that we need to worry about right now. for example jeffrey is part of this group. going around talking about cutting social safety net. his predecessor from the 20s and 40s owen young talked publicly about economic equality. he actually talked about how a man could not be free unless his wages were good. unless he was secure in his future and secured his retirement. it is a very different tune. >> eliot: let's make an important point. would the gold blankfein's of the world acknowledge there was some disparities the ratio of ceo to comp that was crazy and they said we're going to pare that back. >> the compensation is out of whack. we got bailed out. we haven't been criminally prosecuted. the stock market has doubled. stock market has doubled under the obama administration. who we don't like. who we fought valiantly to try to defeat. they would have a lot more credibility if they said that. again, i made the argument that you know, whatever it is, the business of the american people, you know, used to be general motors. it
that's the real deficit that we need to worry about right now. for example jeffrey is part of this group. going around talking about cutting social safety net. his predecessor from the 20s and 40s owen young talked publicly about economic equality. he actually talked about how a man could not be free unless his wages were good. unless he was secure in his future and secured his retirement. it is a very different tune. >> eliot: let's make an important point. would the gold blankfein's of...
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we do have a huge budget deficit. i don't think taxes should be increased on the middle class but we have an almost record percentage of total national income going to the wealthiest 1% of americans. i don't see why they should be let off the hook. why shouldn't they pay their fair share? they are paying a lower tax rate today and effective -- >> that doesn't solve the problem. >> -- in about 80 years and it will help solve the problem because that means more revenues into government. almost everybody, everybody who has looked at this issue, common sense party people, will say that you've got to have some balance between spending cuts and tax increases, particularly on the wealthy. i don't see what the problem is. we had a tax increase on the wealthy in the clinton administration, the economy did tremendously well. we had a tax cut particularly on the wealthy in the bush administration, the george w. bush administration, and very few jobs were created and the median wage started to drop, and that ended in the great re
we do have a huge budget deficit. i don't think taxes should be increased on the middle class but we have an almost record percentage of total national income going to the wealthiest 1% of americans. i don't see why they should be let off the hook. why shouldn't they pay their fair share? they are paying a lower tax rate today and effective -- >> that doesn't solve the problem. >> -- in about 80 years and it will help solve the problem because that means more revenues into...
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congressional aides say they haveve received no and buy from the white house for another deficit meeting. instead, the president is hosting small business leaders, ceos, and heading to philadelphia to sell his position on taxes. a spokesman for the house speaker says the president should be focusing on congressional democrats who republicans they refuse to offer necessary spending cuts. other republicans id democrats are simply continuing election season. >> this seems like our fend on the other side are having difficulty turning off the campaign. we need to sit down and work this matter out. >> we are all here, this administration and those who have been elected to congress, to erve the iraqi people. to suggest that we should, now that the election is over, stop talking to them about these vital issues i think is bad advice. >> republicans also planted a little campaigning themselves. house republicans we will visit local small-business is to emphasize that threat to jobs posed by congressional democrats small business tax hike. gerri: thank you for that. we will watch out for those nak
congressional aides say they haveve received no and buy from the white house for another deficit meeting. instead, the president is hosting small business leaders, ceos, and heading to philadelphia to sell his position on taxes. a spokesman for the house speaker says the president should be focusing on congressional democrats who republicans they refuse to offer necessary spending cuts. other republicans id democrats are simply continuing election season. >> this seems like our fend on...